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<title>
May 21, 1990: Interview:Mark Spitz
</title>
<history>
TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1990
May 21, 1990 John Sununu:Bush' Bad Cop
</history>
<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
INTERVIEW, Page 13
Testing the Limits Of Middle Age
</hdr>
<body>
<p>Mark Spitz won seven gold medals in the 1972 Olympics. He's now
40 years old, but he really believes he'll be in Barcelona in
1992
</p>
<p>By Sam Allis and Mark Spitz
</p>
<p> Q. It has been 18 years since you won at the Olympics. You
are financially secure. You are married, with one child. Why
are you doing this?
</p>
<p> A. In everyday life there is always manana. There is no
urgency. One of the most difficult things for people who have
been successful in sports is adapting to the daily world where
you can't get an answer from someone until 5 o'clock tomorrow.
There is always an excuse. Living 40 or 50 years like that
doesn't get too exciting after a while.
</p>
<p> Q. So you miss the pressure?
</p>
<p> A. I loved it. In those days I ran out of mananas on the day
of the competition. Most people at the age of 22 never think
about having to do something for the very last time in their
whole life.
</p>
<p> Q. This seems to be less about swimming and more about
challenge.
</p>
<p> A. Absolutely. It has nothing to do with swimming. That
happens to be my sport. I'm trying to see how far I can go.
</p>
<p> Q. You were not well liked after Munich. You're an underdog
now. Is this also about redemption?
</p>
<p> A. By making a comeback, I'm changing the attitude of people
toward me. If I'd known that people would react so
enthusiastically, I'd have done it years ago. Everyone loves
to be loved.
</p>
<p> Q. Like it or not, you are a role model for a lot of people.
How does that make you feel?
</p>
<p> A. I think that this whole challenge is almost exclusive to
me, that if I am successful you couldn't run down the street
and say to everybody who is 42 years old, "Get off your rear
ends, quit being couch potatoes, and go do something with
yourself." What it is saying is that someone who was a world
champion and who takes care of himself with a 17-year rest and
applies the proper training techniques and perseverance could
be successful.
</p>
<p> Q. So there is no broader message here?
</p>
<p> A. Sure there is. I hear people say, "I should have done
this and that." They rattle off 20 different reasons why they
didn't do something. Almost 100% of the time they were capable
of doing exactly what they said they should have done. But they
didn't. So they couldn't. It's like trains going in and out of
the depot. They've got no destinations, but they keep moving.
You have to have the pelotas to get on one, and the wisdom to
know whether it's going in the right direction, and the courage
to jump off and do something about it if it's the wrong
direction. And most people don't. Because a known fact is better
than an unknown fact. I'm at the depot, and I'm not going
anywhere. That's better to deal with than having to deal with
the unknown. And the unknown is they don't want to fail. They
don't want to pay the price unless there's a guarantee they're
going to get there.
</p>
<p> Q. Why is failure so scary for most people?
</p>
<p> A. People hate to look in the mirror and say, "You know
something? I gave it my all. I trained as hard as I could. And
I'm not worth a s---." Excuse my French, but nobody wants to
accept that.
</p>
<p> Q. What do experts think about your ability to do this?
</p>
<p> A. All bets are off. I am the Martian man come to life in
sports. If you had to create a situation to test the body,
here's a guy who was great. He has taken care of himself. He
has been sort of hibernating, time warped. We'll see what
happens. But they don't really have a firm grip if a male body
matures between 28 and 32. Now they say maybe it's 35. I might
prove they really don't know what the hell they're talking
about, and it may not even be until you're 50. I think we're
going to redefine what 40-year-olds can do.
</p>
<p> Q. How important is experience against youth and muscle?
</p>
<p> A. Experience right now doesn't do a thing for me other than
tell me, boy, I've got a lot of hard work ahead of me, and I
know what the road is. I know a bunch of different roads to get
there. If I get to the Olympics, that says age is no
difference. I will have proved that. Then who are you going to
bet on? All things being equal, you go with the guy who's been
on the block more times than the next guy. I've been on the
block at the Olympics about 25 times. I personally wouldn't
want to swim against Mark Spitz in the Olympics.
</p>
<p> Q. The young hot shots out there don't frighten you?
</p>
<p> A. Nobody does. I don't get rattled by that stuff. I got
beat real hard and heavy in the Olympic Games in 1968 by a guy
who swam an incredible race one time in his whole life, but he
did it right at the right time. I'd like to be that guy now.
Maybe that's what I'm going to have to pull out of my hat to
make the Olympic team.
</p>
<p> Q. You're confident you'll beat your old time of 54:27 for
the 100-meter butterfly?
</p>
<p> A. Oh yeah. That's not even an issue. That's not
braggadocio.
</p>
<p> Q. Can you tell me what time you will need to make the team
in 1992?
</p>
<p> A. No. (Spitz's coach, Ron Ballatore, estimates a 52:9.)
</p>
<p> Q. How do you train?
</p>
<p> A. I rarely swim fly. I swim freestyle. Butterfly is the
most difficult stroke. After swimming a minute of butterfly,
you're on your butt. So guys who work out more than I do in
butterfly have the greatest lousy stroke in the world, because
your arms get tired, and you drop your elbows, and your
technique is off. The technical stroke in butterfly is critical
to the speed of the stroke.
</p>
<p> Q. So you will actually be training less?
</p>
<p> A. Yes. I'm only in one event, and I'm being coached this
time as a sprinter. I don't know how little I have to do.
</p>
<p> Q. You're training with weights for the first time?
</p>
<p> A. Yeah. Free weights. They've learned a lot in the past 20
years. Today the weight training can specifically exercise
certain muscle groups for freestyle sprints or butterfly
sprints or whatever.
</p>
<p> Q. What is it like practicing with the U.C.L.A. varsity?
</p>
<p> A. They used to ask me all kinds of questions, and I used
to tell them all these great answers. I finally woke up one
morning and said, "One of these dudes is going to beat me by
one of these little comments I'm making. I'd better cool it."
</p>
<p> Q. Only two people make the Olympic team in each swimming
event. If you don't make the American team, would you swim for
another country, maybe Israel?
</p>
<p> A. No, I don't think I would. I'm not going to renounce my
American citizenship.
</p>
<p> Q. What do your friends and family think of this?
</p>
<p> A. I asked my brother-in-law if he thought I am crazy. He
said, "You've got to be crazy to do what you did in 1972, so
whatever you had going for you then is probably still in your
brain now." My sister Nancy said, "If he makes the Olympic
team, Mark's going to win." And I really believe that.
</p>
<p> Q. Win the gold medal?
</p>
<p> A. Yes. If I make the Olympic team, I go by my sister's
philosophy. I'll win. But unless I make the team, I can't win.
</p>
<p> Q. So what are the odds you're going to be in Barcelona in
1992?
</p>
<p> A. Before I started swimming, 20%. Now that I've been
swimming, I've got a fifty-fifty chance. After I get through
swimming in competition for a while, we'll see.
</p>
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